[0.8.1.3] Techs frozen beyond 200m come alive when looking away

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  1. ZeroGravitas

    ZeroGravitas Breaker of Games

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    You can see the big tech here fires at the little one to the left only when I look away, then makes a like a statue when I turn the camera back around...



    I'm not sure how deliberate this behaviour is, hence making a thread. It almost seems the wrong way around... Unless the goal is to have enemies, that you thought were immobilised, sneak up behind you (and kill your allied techs, etc)...?


    Not the exact cat gif I was looking for, but this'll do.:)


    Save attached of this in play with different techs on the opposite side. mannequin challenge

     

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  2. Dynamix

    Dynamix Do you want to have a GOOD time?

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    Weeping Techs in TerraTech?
    No thanks.

     
  3. Zorgomol

    Zorgomol Not a Number

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    Same thing happens when you use camera zoom, which isn't really zoom but just moves the camera closer to your tech.

    So it's not about distance to player tech, it is distance from camera.

     
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  4. ZeroGravitas

    ZeroGravitas Breaker of Games

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    o_O [Mind is blown.] :eek: No way! I'm gonna check, but you're right, aren't you... That's so messed up.:confused: Trying to processes the implications...

    [Edit: yes, confirmed. So if you're trying to escape a dangerous enemy hitting you from long range, it's best to look straight at him and zoom out, to freeze him significantly sooner.]

    It's the same with the render distance - that could really do with being keyed to the tech's location, rather than having distant scenery popping in and out of view as you pan and move the camera POV closer/further. Well, at least view positioning no longer lets you spawn free blocks...

     
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  5. MrTwister

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    To be honest, disabling/limiting any stuff within the rendering distance and/or linking it to the player/camera is damaging to the atmosphere and the world. I am against the 200m rule alltogether.

    Things like this create the roller-coaster kind of atmosphere and further reduce the living world simulation. And Terratech is very roller-coaster at the moment. Linking simulation to player camera is even worse.

     
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  6. kae

    kae PAYLOAD STUDIOS

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    Hey guys, It looks like this is by design, the AI techs are set to fall asleep when leaving a radius set around the player, I believe this was to stop techs outside the player vicinity from being a burden on your machines.

    In some situations if you pay attention to the techs on the edge of your player radius you can manipulate them as you are doing in the video or to escape faster, and as much as it breaks immersion it'll have to be something we can look at suggesting to the designers after we release.

    Cheers!

     
  7. ZeroGravitas

    ZeroGravitas Breaker of Games

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    I believe that everyone here already knows and understands that (debatable a choice as it is).

    But this report is pointing out that the 200m radius is from the camera's POV, not your focused tech. Hence the weirdness observed, as the rotating view moves the camera location significantly closer/further. You got that, right?

     
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  8. Zed

    Zed Well-Known Member

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    Undoubtedly this is a facet of "optimization" to improve framerates paving the way for underpowered original ps4 / xb1 consoles; as anything within the "activity" distance of 550m radius should be persistently kicking especially for the PC version.

     
  9. kae

    kae PAYLOAD STUDIOS

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    Ah right you are, I blame the kitty video for distracting me :p

    There should be no reason why the radius isn't set around the tech and is attached to the player camera, had a chat with code and they confirmed this shouldn't be due to any technical reason.

    I'll get it logged. Cheers!

     
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  10. AstraTheDragon

    AstraTheDragon A dapper dragon

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    Excuse the necro @kae but do you know if this has been fixed since being logged? I can't seem to find anything in any patch notes. If it's been changed I'll need to update the Wiki. Thanks! And yes that cat video is quite ensnaring...

     
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  11. ZeroGravitas

    ZeroGravitas Breaker of Games

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    I just loaded my save, attached in top post, and there's no change to the behaviour - distance still centred on camera POV.

     
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  12. kae

    kae PAYLOAD STUDIOS

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    Not been changed yet AFAIK.

    We've avoided working on things that could potentially have broken more things for our 1.0 release, but now that we've gotten past that milestone we'll be looking to fix a lot more of these bugs :)

    If I'm in the office at the time the bug gets merged to unstable I'll be sure to let you know here or ask Jamie/Saiwun to include it on the patch notes for you.

     
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  13. ZeroGravitas

    ZeroGravitas Breaker of Games

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    Can you ask them just to put *everything* in the patch notes plx.;)

    Yay, lots of new side-effect bugs!

     
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